How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

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ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

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ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

When was you wife swapping fantasy started?

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

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ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

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ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

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There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

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ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

Is it ok for someone to crossdress in public?

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— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

How can I be okay with being ugly? What is the bright side?

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

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ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

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At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

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ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

CONCLUSION:

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

NOW…

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

Kabir (a weaver)

I am like a fish out of water,

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

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Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

Now here in this verse

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

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ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

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Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

Sain (a barber)

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

then who is there to know what happens without?

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||